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    Posted: 28 Jan 2007 at 7:12am
I have a friend who's really into errors and varieties, his name is Dennis. I haven't been able to talk to him much lately but he's into doubled dies, RPM's, and such. I recently picked up the cherrypickers guide volume 4 which covers most demoninations. However, I for the life of me can't find any! Before I got the book, I went to a coin show and looked through a bunch of proof and uncirculated kennedys. I must've gone through about 10, I couldn't find any which had the characteraristics of double dies (doubling of letters, devices, or  raised lines that extend slightly)
 
I asked around and other people said you just have to have the eye for it. Can someone give me some tips on spotting DD's, RPM's, etc? I use a 14x loupe. The book says to use a 10x loupe though.
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First, they are not that common. So finding one out of 10 is not likely.   SO, for starters:

Buy some coins that are already graded or attributed and learn to see the errors from ones that others have found.
 
Also, READ and learn from your books.
 
Talk to other collectors of the same interest. Ask coin dealers for assistance.
 
Any then also look at the shows. Cherrypicking measn you find one that no one else has found, it is like a treasure hunt.
 
Join a club.
 
Use online references that show closeup photos...
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"A Cherrypicker's Guide to the Galaxy".  Sounds exciting just hearing about it.  Actually, it can be tedious at times with the sheer volume of coins that one must go through to have a chance of success.  The thrill of discovery trumps the hunt each and every time, and perhaps a new collector has started that Lifetime Journey.  Give me a fist full of change and some magnification and I am one happy camper.
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Originally posted by silverhawk silverhawk wrote:

First, they are not that common. So finding one out of 10 is not likely.   SO, for starters:

Buy some coins that are already graded or attributed and learn to see the errors from ones that others have found.
 
Also, READ and learn from your books.
 
Talk to other collectors of the same interest. Ask coin dealers for assistance.
 
Any then also look at the shows. Cherrypicking measn you find one that no one else has found, it is like a treasure hunt.
 
Join a club.
 
Use online references that show closeup photos...
 
Thanks much! I think I'll look at coins already attributted with them to learn better. At every coin show my friend dennis can go in there and find some. I've read all the intro and a majority of the apendix of the book, there's alot to be learned still, but I've learned alot.
 
Silverhawk, you always help me. Thank you
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I buy unc. rolls, then pick through em, i found 2 1960 d/d in one roll and 9 rolls later i found a d/d large/small date in MS-67. It takes time and practice.

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You may want to buy the book on Lincoln Cents from coppercoins.com or just examine that web site. There are error coins from almost every year explained there. If you go to a coin show you may see tables full of books on coins and most explain errors of each denomination. I think many people today make more money on those books than on coins. It appears everyone is buying books on coins and not everyone is buying the coins. I've got both books from coppercoins and have amased large quantities of error coins due to just that book alone and almost all from change or bags of coins from the bank
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just carl  is right on the MONEY scuse the punWink

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Check out:  www.minterrornews.com  for access to read all issues of the magazine.  It has lots of information on error coins.  Hope you find it interresting like I did.
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Originally posted by bigbob1968 bigbob1968 wrote:

Check out:  www.minterrornews.com  for access to read all issues of the magazine.  It has lots of information on error coins.  Hope you find it interresting like I did.
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 If not books, magazines, etc. then it's web sites on error coins. Also one called Fred Weinber Co. Your rarer error dealer. I'm just waiting for Dansco and Whitman to start with error coin albums.
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Some of the listed varieties are very scarce.  Try some of the easier ones first.  Get a good picture of what to look for in your mind before you start looking and use a magnifier until you recognize it.  Most of them are easy to spot once you've actually found one.  One of the most "common" would be the '70-S sm dt cent which is in about 10% of the '70 mint sets.  Many of these have been picked over so you'll probably need to look through more than ten sets to find one.
 
Varieties tend to travel in bunches.  If you find one there will often be more around because they are made by the same die and this output will be distributed together. 
 
Keep your eyes open and try to see actual examples even if others found them.  Before long they'll just sort of jump out at you and you'll be able to spot them from yards away. 

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I just purchased the book - Strike It Rich with Pocket Change by Brian Allen & Ken Potter. Intersting book - lots of info about modern error coins that can be found in your pocket - starts with the 1959 - D Lincoln Cent and goes through nickles, dimes, quarters, halves and dollars. I've been looking hard and even went to my local coin dealer and bought a $50 bag of Wheat Lincoln's (over a 1000 coins) and didnt find one error, but then again, maybe I'm not looking hard enough or have the lack of knowledge. I do feel you need to look hard, because these errors are rare and hard to find and it probably would be a good idea to study actual error coins if you want to become an "expert" on the subject. But it's still fun trying to find that elusive error coin i.e. the 1955 DDO Lincoln Cent. I did come across a coin in my pocket change last week that I think is a RMM (repunched mint mark) on a 1987-D dime - according to the above book, it's worth $20 in UNC condition - so there are error coins out there - you just need to become aware of them and start thumbing through your pocket change - but dont count of using your finds for your retirement - jimacWink

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The "Strike it Rich..." book is excellent.  There are relatively few easy coins to find listed in it since they concentrate on the valuable coins and modern coins have to be excessively rare to be very valuable.  The coins are out there though. 

There are other varieties that I love to watch for in pocket change.  Some of these are also rare but there are some pretty easy ones if you want to look.  My favorites are the 1977 to 1984 type "d" (small motto) reverse quarters.  Each of these except the '82-P comes with two different reverses and the earlier ones are scarce but later ones are common.  They are all scarce or rare in unc except the '81-P and both '83's and  '84's.  The earlier ones are really tough even in nice VF.  There are probably fewer than a hundred XF or better '77 sm motto quarters in existence and most are still in circulation.  Later dates get increasingly common and only the '81-P appears in mint sets.  ~ 1 : 160
 
This reverse is characterized by lower relief and different shapes of lettering.  The best Pick Up Point (PUP) is the distance between the right side of the N in UNUM and the eagles head.  It is much greater on the sm motto.  A complete set of these can be done with some effort.
 
There's also a very interesting small bust '85-P quarter.  This one is just tough enough to be a challenge but easy enough that you will find one.  It's scarce in unc and nice examples are tough in any grade.  Look at the bottom of the E in LIBERTY. It is farther from the head on the sm bust. 
 
There are some others that are tougher but these are findable and I have to believe interest in them will grow.  In some cases mintages are as low as about 80,000 so it wouldn't take many collectors to dry up the entire supply. 

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thanks for the info and tips - need to go back into my "change" bowl and start looking for the quarters you mentioned - here's to good fishing!! - as more and more collectors realize the amount of errors in modern coins, these coins will start increasing in the "want value" and value in general - besides its fun looking for the needle in the haystack - it can be very rewarding - thanks, jimacSmile

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