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    Posted: 04 Apr 2007 at 1:10am
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I am a newbie to coin collecting. In fact, I got my start yesterday when I got the following list of coins from a day laborer digging a trench.  While my Spanish isn't very good, it was good enough to purchase these coins for a pittance.   Now for the hard part.  I  have no idea exactly what I have.  I have spent about five hours looking these up on the internet and yet I am no closer to determining what these are worth than when I started and I hope someone here could take a minute to give me some information and advice.  First, what are these worth, second, are they likely to appreciate in value.
 
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1795 silver dollar(s) all with minimal wear in very good condition
1800 silver dollar (s) very (very) good condition
1840 silver dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition
1844 silver dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition
1845 silver dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition
1851 silver dollar (indian head) only wear is on date but very good condition
 
1871 silver (trade dollar) dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition
1872 silver (trade dollar) with letters cc on reverse very good condition
1884 silver dollar(s) with letter o on reverse very good condition
1886 silver dollar(s) with letter o on reverse very good condition
1922 silver dollar with peace on reverse.
 
I also have a couple one ounce silver bullion coins similar in appearance to a silver dollar with what looks to be a winged mercury on the front with the word LIBERTY.  On the reverse are the words "999 fine silver one ounce" and "e pluribus unum"  but there is no date whatsoever.  These show a little wear but lettering is still very crisp.
 
These coins havent seen the light of day for a very long time and were covered with dirt, leaves etc. when I got them.  Other than blowing them off with canned air, I have NOT cleaned them in any way.   If there is a lot of interest, I can photograph or scan these and post more photos.  Just let me know how large a photo is customary.
 
All in all, I have 43 silver dollars and I am amazed at the condition especially the 1795 dollars.
 
So, can anyone give me an idea of what I have?
 
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Here's a scan of most of the coins.  The first scan shows the front side of the coins.  The second scan shows the reverse side. The coin position is the same between the scans. 

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they are almost to clean to be buried good luck !! I wish i could find soins like that WOW!!
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scoutjim99:
 
The trench was being dug where an old building stood and the soil was powdery white and blew away with canned air.  What didn't blow away was gently brushed off using a new paint brush.  
 
Now, back to my original question.  In terms of rarity, and value, any ball-park idea of what I have??
 
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Originally posted by Hasselblad Hasselblad wrote:

Hello:
 

I am a newbie to coin collecting. In fact, I got my start yesterday when I got the following list of coins from a day laborer digging a trench.  While my Spanish isn't very good, it was good enough to purchase these coins for a pittance.   Now for the hard part.  I  have no idea exactly what I have.  I have spent about five hours looking these up on the internet and yet I am no closer to determining what these are worth than when I started and I hope someone here could take a minute to give me some information and advice.  First, what are these worth, second, are they likely to appreciate in value.

 

Thanks,

 

Curt

 

1795 silver dollar(s) all with minimal wear in very good condition

1800 silver dollar (s) very (very) good condition

1840 silver dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition

1844 silver dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition

1845 silver dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition

1851 silver dollar (indian head) only wear is on date but very good condition

 

1871 silver (trade dollar) dollar(s) with letters cc on reverse very good condition

1872 silver (trade dollar) with letters cc on reverse very good condition

1884 silver dollar(s) with letter o on reverse very good condition

1886 silver dollar(s) with letter o on reverse very good condition

1922 silver dollar with peace on reverse.

 

I also have a couple one ounce silver bullion coins similar in appearance to a silver dollar with what looks to be a winged mercury on the front with the word LIBERTY.  On the reverse are the words "999 fine silver one ounce" and "e pluribus unum"  but there is no date whatsoever.  These show a little wear but lettering is still very crisp.

 

These coins havent seen the light of day for a very long time and were covered with dirt, leaves etc. when I got them.  Other than blowing them off with canned air, I have NOT cleaned them in any way.   If there is a lot of interest, I can photograph or scan these and post more photos.  Just let me know how large a photo is customary.

 

All in all, I have 43 silver dollars and I am amazed at the condition especially the 1795 dollars.

 

So, can anyone give me an idea of what I have?

 

Thanks.

 

[IMG]http://www.coinforum.org/uploads/20070404_102354_1795-Back.jpg" height="315" width="420" />

[IMG]http://www.coinforum.org/uploads/20070404_102428_1795-Front.jpg" height="315" width="420" />

[IMG]http://www.coinforum.org/uploads/20070404_102458_1871-Front.jpg" height="315" width="420" />

[IMG]http://www.coinforum.org/uploads/20070404_102527_1871-Back.jpg" height="315" width="420" />


I wonder if the cc on the reverse of those coins (means carbon-copy or counterfeit copy
I truly think you have copies of U.S. coins jmho
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That will take some reserach , but if authentic you Have some money there.  The flowing hair looks suspicious but if it is Authentic Est imate $15,000-$30,000 rough estimate the rim on the coin is making me a bit nervous. if I have your permision to copy these photos and take them somwhere else I can try to get an answer for you
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the left wing on the 1795 does not match any patterns in my book it should come down through the wreath and it Does not . i believe it is counterfiet.  there is a market for counterfeit coins though and i may actually have a buyer
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Also if you coulod provide biiger pictures of each coin individually that would help and also circuference of the coins as well as weight , because I do believe you may have some counterfiets there
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also the coin with the Indian headress what color is it i
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scoutjim99:
 
As far as copying the photos, go right ahead. Heck, they are only photos.  I won't have time to do individual scans of the coins until some time next week but I'll be happy to scan and post them (or should I email them?)
 
The Indian Headress coin is silver in color and the date is on the back side of the coin instead of the front (curious!)
 
I will be the first to admit I know absolutely nothing about collecting coins but since I didn't pay squat for these, I can recover my cost simply by melting them if they turn out to be non-genuine.
 
As for selling them, it's too early for that at this stage of the game, but where there are duplicates I would probably be willing to part with some.
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I have a friend who collects counterfeit coins he studies them and is researching them for a book.  The Tade dollars to find with out chopmarks are very rare in that aspect, also they were and are one of the most counterfieted coin's today mostly in China The indian coin being silver in color instead of gold i also a clue to the fact that it might be counterfeit the made that same coin only in Gold as far as i Know.  of course I could be wrong
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Thanks for the info and the private message. 
 
As soon as I can arrange it, I will take the coins to a nearby repuatable coin dealer and find out what is what.  My schedule won't let me until Tuesday or Wednesday of next week.  However, the more I read, the more I think these may be counterfeit. Having said that, the more I read, the more I realize how much I don't know.
 
Whatever the outcome, this adventure is facinating,  like most people, I just spend money and never even look at it twice at what I hand the clerk at the store but that will change.  The more I read, the more facinated I become!    I guess it's never too late for an old dog to learn new tricks.
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Just dont sell them at melt yet they may be worth more counterfeits.  i personally am not interested as i dont have the money for such
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hello!!! this Francis from the Philippines. Curt, we share the same bad luck! if our 1795 silver dollar coin is a Chinese counterfeit, (so they say!)Chinese must have a good coin die cast engravers and better coin pounding machine. I've send you my email ads privately if you want a pix of my coin,reply to my email ads. i took a hi resolution pix of my coin on a Caliper. so high you can magnify it 50 times w/o pixels. big file to be uploaded here. yours and mine are both in good condition. mine is unclean. approx. 26.5 grams
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one of the coin dealer in your country replied to my inquiry yesterday, that it is non-genuine and of no value. i still don't believe him, for the reason that, this 1795 silver dollar coin we both have was circulating here in my country during the commonwealth regime of America, 1957. My dad was once the finance and supply officer of the U.S. Naval Base at Subic Base, Olongapo, Philippines. I can still remember, (i was then 7 Y/o)when my dad use to bring us to American Legion Club,at Subic Base,Olongapo City. These coins are in circulation. U.S. Navy Servicemen use to give this coin as tips to bar girls when they run out of peso coins. thus this means U.S. servicemens are fooling the filipinos during those years. These coin almost have the same dimension and quality of pounding of our 1 peso commonwealth coins and is honored during that years. The only difference is, the engravings of: COMMONWEALTH OF THE PHILIPPINES on one side and UNITED STATE OF AMERICA on the other side.
Does'nt it hurts, we, Filipinos, were being fooled by U.S. servicemens during those year?. I am just giving you a brief history of how these coin circulates in my country during those years.
Whoever own that coin, must have been here in my country during those years. In my opinion, that's how he acquired that coin.
I have taken a high resolution pix of our 1795 silver dollar coin with my old Zenit E Russian made cam with the right amount of light. after development of the film, to my surprise there's a hidden mark right on top of the head of the eagle side of the coin. something like a hologram (zoom the hi-resolution pix that i will send you till you see the hidden mark). you can only see it on the right angle on the screen of your PC. i am not sure if it is a hologram. if you want to see what i am saying, send me an E-mail, i will send you a copy of the pix. i like to hear your opinion if it is a hologram. as you can see, the rim dots at the middle of I and T of the UNITED is missing. one more thing,the 8th rim dot before the UNITED is not alligned. it must have been done for the purpose of security.
this coin is too good to be a Chinese counterfeit!!!

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