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    Posted: 21 Jun 2007 at 3:01pm
When I purchased my 1908 $20 MS62 PCGS liberty I was very happy. But I've noticed what appears to be either wear or a lump of metal in the hair. I think multiple contact marks could've created this. But I'm a bit concerned because lumps are a sign of a counterfeit coin. Here's a photo of the close up, what do you think?
 
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Looks like a bag mark.
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Just now, I showed this coin to my nusmismatic buddy and he said the weakness in the hair could be from a weak strike (maybe late die state?). Problem is, 1904's are supposed to have a strong strike, right? (At least according to my double eagle book) They are also the most common date.
 
So therefore, is it normal for a few to have a weak strike? Could this be the cause of the "wear" or weakness in the hair?
 
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I don't see any probs at all.... Very minor issue from what I can tell.
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Difficult to say without seeing the coin first-hand.  If you can, show it around to some experts.
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Originally posted by silverhawk silverhawk wrote:

I don't see any probs at all.... Very minor issue from what I can tell.
 
I know! I think it's normal now, because I just found this coin on eBay, in a different PCGS slab, MS62 $20 liberty 1904. Look at the hair and compare them. Doesn't it look the same?
 
What do you think?
 
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Originally posted by silverhawk silverhawk wrote:

I don't see any probs at all.... Very minor issue from what I can tell.
 
Silverhawk, on the bottom edge of my PNG generation hologram slab, there are 2 white lines on the slab. Is this just where it was put together?
 
Thanks for your patience!
 
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The NGC coin is very nice.  There is also a very similar but nicer picture at CollectorsInternet  www.collectorsinternet.com  Click on the $20 Coin on their homepage and it leads to larger pictures.  Your $20 Liberty looks like the real deal, but you stated it's a 1908 ?   $20 Liberties were only minted until the first half of 1907, when they were replaced by Saints that same year.


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Originally posted by WilliamKellogg WilliamKellogg wrote:

The NGC coin is very nice.  There is also a very similar but nicer picture at CollectorsInternet  www.collectorsinternet.com  Click on the $20 Coin on their homepage and it leads to larger pictures.  Your $20 Liberty looks like the real deal, but you stated it's a 1908 ?   $20 Liberties were only minted until the first half of 1907, when they were replaced by Saints that same year.
 
It's PCGS not NGC. Also the second picture I posted of davidlawrence isn't mine, it's someone elses. It's 1904 not 1908.
 
What do you think about the white marks? Is that jus where they sealed it?


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It might be from the plastic holders.  This is another reason I've never like slabbed coins.....its hard to really see a pictured coin through slabs that can often become scratched or scruffy over the years.   I would rather hold a coin anway and learn how to grade and authenticate on my own.  If we don't take risks in life, we really don't learn as much as we could otherwise.

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Originally posted by WilliamKellogg WilliamKellogg wrote:

It might be from the plastic holders.  This is another reason I've never like slabbed coins.....its hard to really see a pictured coin through slabs that can often become scratched or scruffy over the years.   I would rather hold a coin anway and learn how to grade and authenticate on my own.  If we don't take risks in life, we really don't learn as much as we could otherwise.

 
Are the white marks on the bottom edge just how the coin's slab is made?
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Might be.  It's difficult to tell without seeing it first-hand. 
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Originally posted by WilliamKellogg WilliamKellogg wrote:

Might be.  It's difficult to tell without seeing it first-hand. 
 
Damn. I hope it's an authentic slab. ::sigh::
 
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The hair nor the slab have a problem, and the "mark" looks like extra metal, but a non-issue.
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