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Originally posted by whitetiger whitetiger wrote:

Oh Vic, your url doesnt go anywhere.   Wanted to check out the site.
 
Sorry, I fixed the link.
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Cool site, I have one that looks like
Jan. 328 until late 329 
21x20mm   3.1 gm 
Obv. CONSTANTINVS MAX AVG rosette diademed, dr., cuir. bust 
Rev. CONSTANTINIANA DAFNE [Constantinian Dafne] Victory seated l. on cippus, palm branch in left hand and laurel branch in right hand, looking r.; trophy at front, at the foot is a kneeling captive with head turned being spurned by Victory 
B in left field, in ex. CONS star    RIC VII Constantinople 38      r4
http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/dafgal/38b.jpg

Looks simular to this one.  I have it soaking now in olive oil, I need to clean it up a little better.
Also I noticed one has developed a small red crustation.   I hope it doesnt spread.
Any ideas?



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Originally posted by whitetiger whitetiger wrote:

Also I noticed one has developed a small red crustation.   I hope it doesnt spread.
Any ideas?
 
Post a picture when you are able, then we can see what is going on.
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Here is the red encrustation, I have several pics, hope they dont mind all the pics.   After I will show a nice one I cleaned yesterday.  It turned out beautiful!!  Very sharp looking and the patina is very nice!!




Ok heres the coin I cleaned, very nice!!




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Some problems with the upload.  I will try again later, cant upload cause the one with the flash seems to be to high in kb.   one is 178kb and the one with the flash is 248.  dont want to make it so small you cant see it.




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Ok I will try again now.




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Heres the back

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Heres a better shot    Any info on this coin would be great!!  Nice looking coin!!

 

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Your coin is
 

Constantius II

Struck 351-355

DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG

FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO [good times restored] soldier spearing falling enemy horseman

In exergue ASIS

RIC VIII Siscia 350

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Thanks Victor.   Whats your opinion?   pf avg?  Not sure what that means yet.
  I put it in my display, cant wait to see what the others look like when there done.   Lot of work cleaning them.   But worth the effort to see there beauty and to hold something as old as these.   I think of the history they must hold, people who have held them and so on

Im curious, any idea on an approximate value?    I guess this is the question everyone asks.   Nice to know when my friends ask, and they will.  LOL


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Originally posted by whitetiger whitetiger wrote:

   pf avg?  Not sure what that means yet.
 
Im curious, any idea on an approximate value?   
 
PF means Pius Felix [dutiful and wise] and AVG means Augustus
 
This coin is very common, one of the most common of fourth century bronze coins and it is rated as c3 in RIC, which is the most common rating given to a coin.
 
Value for ancients hinges on many factors, like rarity, strike, quality of the dies, shape of the flan, condition, patina, demand, etc. etc....
 
So considering many factors, but mainly the many FEL TEMP's available, your coin, as most uncleaned coins, is worth a dollar or two, with a maximum of five dollars. But a coin is really only worth what someone will pay for it.
 
A coin like this listed on E-bay for a dollar might not sell because the shipping, of say three dollars, is more than the coin is worth; or someone who does not know how available these coins are might decide that since it is old, it must be worth at least twenty dollars. Value is hard to put ancients, but it is done all the time.
 
 
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Thanks Victor,
      I still have to admire it for its beauty and detail.   I guess its like buying your first car.   Very nice coin just the same.
      I hope I can find a rare one in my lot.  Still got a lot of cleaning to do.
I have one with a wreath and writing on one side.  Hard to read or see though.   Very rough and very heavy.  About the same size as the one I showed you but much thicker.   Not sure how much cleaner it will come.

        If I were to buy a coin thats ancient, any idea what I should look for if I want to hold onto a coin of good value?    Was thinking of spending at least 300.00.    Not sure what I want though.   I was hoping for something that will increase in value, but also looks very cool.   Something very old also.

Any advise would be great!!
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Ted,
Before you spend much money on a coin, I would try to get one that interests you. I collect coins of Constantine because that period really strikes me as a pivotal time in history. Some people like to get coins from infamous rulers like Nero or Caligula. Julius Caesar is also an interesting individual. There are many possible reasons to collect Roman coins. Some people try to collect one coin from each of the emperors, or maybe just the 12 Caesars, the ones Suetonius wrote about.
 
There are also specific historical reasons that coins were issued that might also interest a collector. Many coins were issued to commemorate victories, like the Judea Capta issued by Vespasian after 71 A.D. to mark the destruction of Jerusalem. Constantine issued certain issues to mark his victory over Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge. The history behind the coins can be one of the most fascinating aspects of collecting.
 
I would not buy an ancient coin as an investment or hope for it to increase in value, though. I would only buy something that I liked or enjoyed, and as such that would be a priceless investment.
 
If you have not checked out Vcoins, it is a good place to browse for ancient coins. They have a nice search function that lets you search by description and/or price.
 
 
Uncleaned coins are fun and a great way to begin learning about the coins, but you will generally only find common coins, as they have been sorted by many hands by the time they get to you. It is still great fun, though, and I still occasionally buy uncleaned coins myself. If you want the possibility of finding rare coins, you would have to search crusty uncleaned coins that actually have nothing showing before cleaning. Crusties are the best bet, but all too often when coins are that encrusted they are far to corroded to be of any worth.
 
If you are interested in ancients, I would advise you get some books on the subject. One good book was written by Wayne Sayles, Ancient Coin Collecting volume 1. There is an old saying "Buy the book, before you buy the coin."
 
 
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Thanks Victor,
     Some great advise, I checked out the vcoins and saved as a favorite for future reverence.   I think for now Im going to keep working on the uncleaned coins I have.   Some that are pretty think but no details.  Just wonder how to get the crust off them.   Seem like concrete.    I want to be careful.  Will just chip away with a tooth pick.   I have plenty of time.   Lot of fun when you start to see something or think its possibly something rare.
   Do you know any dealers who get uncleaned coins that are worth purchasing?

Also whats your best coin you found in an uncleaned lot.  
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